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VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
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VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:38:42 -0500
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Just to be clear, most of my answers to questions are focused on what is
allowable for this year's Animal Allies Robot Game.

Sometimes that isn't the real question that coaches and teams are asking.
They are interested in strategy--is this a good idea?  Are there any
adverse consequences?  There are many things that are allowable in the
Robot Game that the team might not really want to do.  (For example, hold
the robot over their heads for 45 seconds.  I'm not sure when that would be
a good idea, but it is definitely allowable.)

So, building boxes, palettes and other containers as team Equipment (D03)
is allowable.

If the robot strands an object on the Field completely outside of Base,
then that object stays where it is (R15).  So, if your Robot is using a
container, it is allowable for that container to end up outside of Base.

There are some missions where a container could affect scoring.  M14, Milk
on Ramp, is definitely one, and M05, Biomimicry, could be affected, too.
Otherwise, most of the Missions require things to be "completely in"
various areas, and being in a container does not affect whether an object
is "completely in" an area (although the container might make things harder
to see during scoring.)

R14 and R15 and the rules that talk about Penalties, and most of the
adverse consequences of team actions.  Neither of them mention containers.


So, what's the bottom line?  The Nuckols Farm Foxbots asked about using
containers in the Robot Game, and the answers were pretty clear that it is
allowable.

Is it a good idea?  I wrote a lot, but I didn't give a straightforward
answer to that implied question, however everything that you need to know
is in the text of the Rules and Missions...

Steve Scherr
Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Laurie Atkinson <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>
>
> Thank you. So building a box or a palette for food delivery would be okay
> as long as the mission model (food piece) is not attached, correct?  And it
> would be okay to leave that box on the playing field with the food in it?
>
>
>
> *From:* First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> jmu.edu <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *VA-DC Referee Advisor
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:11 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] Food delivery tactic
>
>
>
> Whenever your team wants to combine or bind a Mission Model with something
> else, be sure to check the test in bullet two of R11, Mission Model
> Handling:
>
>
>
> ·         If you combine a Mission Model with something (including the
> Robot), the combination must be loose enough that if asked to do so, you
> could pick the Mission Model up and nothing else would come with it.
>
> Each of the individual food pieces is a separate Mission Model, so the
> team is not allowed to "tightly" bind them together.
>
>
>
>
>
> In my experience, most of the time that teams first consider connecting a
> Mission Model to something else, it isn't allowable.  Then, if the team
> thinks about the rule, they can figure out something that is allowable.
>
>
>
> Steve Scherr
>
> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Laurie Atkinson <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> For the food delivery mission, we’d like to stack two like colors of food
> together and then bind them with a simple LEGO peg that we’ve made to
> prepare them for delivery. The robot then goes out to the field to deliver
> the bound pairs to the targets. This is not manipulating the fridge mission
> model itself but rather the loose pieces that are in play. This is okay,
> yes?
>
>
>
> -          Laurie Head Atkinson, Coach, Nuckols Farm Foxbots
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