Jamie:

Good one! Kevin wrote that article in 2009, when people were still  
"fanatics" about social media.  Then, in 2016, Trump was elected and,  
as a result, these *same* people are now running as fast as they can  
for the exits . . . !!

"Wikipedia, Flickr, and Twitter aren't just revolutions in online  
social media. They're the vanguard of a cultural movement" (caption on  
the 2009 "Global Collectivist Society" Wired article.)

Dave Kirkpatrick (who once used to take me out for expensive lunches  
when I was on Wall Street, paying with his Fortune magazine expense  
account) wrote "The Facebook Effect" and, now that no one there will  
talk to him, he's calling it the "Facebook Defect."  Apparently his  
next book is just called "Zuck" (or maybe "Zucktown" or just "Zucky.")

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2018_03_21_technology_facebook-2Dzucktown-2Dwillow-2Dvillage.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=i34lwwtA5RXMDvu5rRhDQeCEwO15I8h6rK6hnahfEoU&e=

Last year some of us attended a conference at Wharton organized by my  
old friend Kevin Werbach.  Like Kelly &al, he was once a "fanatic"  
about how these technologies would usher in a *utopia* (as promoted at  
his "Supernova" conferences) -- only to find out that "utopia"  
actually means "no place."  His recent event had 20+ speakers on the  
same theme about how social media had turned against everyone (and, in  
particular, everyone who once wrote things like Kelly and themselves.)  
  It will become a book soon, named "After the Digital Tornado" --  
reversing the promo he did 20 years ago when he was an "evangelist" at  
the FCC.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Digital-2DTornado-2DInternet-2DTelecommunications-2DPolicy_dp_B00HQ7H3YG&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=Ea00vfgmLmEHrkqe0JAPY1sibedlMnzuoLeIJs1oLwE&e=

Nobody (who is paying attention) agrees with what Kelly wrote in 2009  
anymore.  What has become clear is that anything based on an  
advertising business-model is a version of TELEVISION and not  
*digital* at all.  Another of my old friends, Roger McNamee (now a  
rich investor and once a student of mine, as well as mentor to  
Zuckerberg), has started the "Center for Humane Technology" and is  
raising money to get people to leave these platforms altogether.  They  
describe the problem in these terms: Our society is being hijacked by  
technology.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__humanetech.com_problem-23team&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=oimkBsdH570jSbNT9cepjVy-EuIifbL3aEfOQ0oa1mc&e=

Another old friend of mine, Doug Rushkoff (who has "borrowed" many  
ideas from me for his books, many wildly "evangelical" about  
technology), is about to publish his "Team Human" -- subtitled "Our  
technologies, markets, and cultural institutions -- once forces for  
human connection and expression -- now isolate and repress us."  -- in  
which he takes all of this talk about "socialist revolution" to task  
as make-believe promoted by people who never understood the *effects*  
of these technologies in the first place . . . !!

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Team-2DHuman-2DDouglas-2DRushkoff_dp_039365169X&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=fsYv_W3COw8SCIuJ_XbAwRc_F5QnxVC80p519n3IZwQ&e=

Gregg's "Fifth Joint Point" isn't about one of these "no place"  
flights of fantasy -- at least as I understand it.  If it is, then  
like the "transhumanism" you promote on your blog (and resume &c), it  
will fail.  Miserably.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__moralapex.wordpress.com_recommended-2Dreading_&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=fC-PIgbPm1FBRczIkRzSxcG9IbwyVN52JrS6tFPPzwA&e=

The humans won't put up with it . . . <g>

Mark

P.S. To understand how TELEVISION became the *monster* that took over  
DIGITAL, you will need Marshall McLuhan.  He detailed how one  
media-environment becomes the "content" of another in his 1964  
"Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man," based on work he had  
been doing in the 1950s.  He began with a grant from the Ford  
Foundation in 1953, titled "Changing Patterns of Language and Behavior  
and the New Media of Communication," which was dealing with  
*television* as a follow-up to the 1930s Rockefeller Radio Research  
Project -- which, in turn, had been organized as a result of the  
paradigm-shift that produced Hilter &al.  Today, our corresponding  
*digital* shift is producing something quite different -- which, once  
again, due to our problems with figure/ground, most people refuse to  
understand.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Radio-5FResearch-5FProject&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=RvhmuA9cRkUdaS9NgORIN6fqvbTR00cVRc8dSoqvZT0&e=

Quoting Mathew Jamie Dunbaugh <[log in to unmask]>:

> This article talks about some ideas that relate to Gregg's fifth joint
> point:
>
> The New Socialism: Global Collectivist Society Is Coming Online
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wired.com_2009_05_nep-2Dnewsocialism_&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=krID2rH5nVNBkOp4EXVIdx1r5_H3IsAntLwEEyaXrL8&s=Pd-bVCEddII0D6QotWq8eScr8x9t4yE8flzRvOfhWxo&e=
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