Anjan,
Your query is valid. I hope this article of mine on difference between
success & excellence
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepakloomba.medium.com_success-2Dexcellence-2Drecognition-2Da3aa1e2eed03&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=c3_9Rkz0bX6ScxO-PcQqb9OWHuinwSUmctETqpu3q74&s=e9da1ntHtYAGoLjXU89Hx6w7zKXReMo6i33NUMpfC8A&e= >
published sometime ago, would shed more light.
James,
Not only do I full support your view, I would add - this is the
difference between success & excellence.
TY
DL
On 10/29/2020 5:07 AM, James Lyons-Weiler wrote:
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> Ok, so... I'll be the one to ask... what's wrong with intellectual
> masturbation?
>
> Our Puritanical heritage can be so limiting.. :)
>
> Seriously, though ... the idea that we must always show value of
> inquiry to society is
> a form of hubris.
>
> We cannot always appreciate the value of scientific inquiry... if we
> truly understood the full value of
> each journey into the unknown, would we not already know what we
> propose to be exploring/
>
> The shift from basic to applied is a justification of science.
> Inquiry needs no justification.
>
> Knowledge is its own reward.
>
> James Lyons-Weiler
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> Beautiful Gregg. It's a powerful question I've wondered about a
> lot, "is it just intellectual mastrubation if I learn this amazing
> way to see the world yet don't seem to improve my own life or
> efficacy? How patient or impatient should one be about the
> practical use & changes in one's life from learning these
> frameworks?"
>
> Lot's of food for thought in you response.
>
> Also here is the youtube link to Gregg's dialogue with Alexander
> Bard, the above parallax discussion:
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> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 5:17 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> Hi ToK System-into-UTOKers 😊,
>
> As I mentioned previously, Alexander Bard and I are going to
> be exchanging ideas about our “systems” of thought. He posed
> this question for a prompt to reflect on:
>
> “The question to ask ourselves is why systems are so important
> to begin with. In other words: Without systems, there can be
> no sense-making to begin with, only fluffy and trendy opinions
> all over again.”
>
> This was my reply:
>
> Re the “system” question, my quick answer is that our shared
> systems of thought (i.e., the justification systems that
> coordinate us on the Person-Culture plane of existence) are
> central to our ontology. They propositionally frame what is
> and ought to be, and the process by which we intersubjectively
> negotiate that with each other. Crucially, we need to
> understand that they are not EVERYTHING. This is the foolish
> extreme of the Sapir-Whorf or twisted Derrida followers who
> would say the language systems simply are what is. Of course,
> that is not true. Propositional claims about reality are
> obviously not synonymous reality per se. But they are key.
>
> And because we do and should have values, we can and do say
> that some systems are better than others. In terms of how we
> go about determining the justifiability of knowledge systems,
> here is a blog that offers a quick review of seven such frames
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202009_seven-2Dapproaches-2Dfinding-2Dthe-2Dtruth&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jeo4KkyAYYhAHRn-Vp6oXlr5fUwyCcNzGJqViPZLHGU&s=wjqqyxuz3fQjWw5WD7ZxkOifgpBmbunLBexOIO7zo0c&e=>.
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> My basic system is positioned as critique of modernist
> Enlightenment Philosophy/Science on its own terms of logic,
> rationality, empiricism, coherence and utility in fostering
> human progress. The Enlightenment embarked on the development
> of a rationalist philosophy that would include both a
> scientific understanding of the world and the promotion of
> human value. It succeed in some ways. On its own terms, the
> STEM world is an advance of human knowledge. However, STEM
> systematically breaks down at psychology. This is because of
> the first major Enlightenment problem of knowledge, which is
> getting the proper conceptual relationship between matter and
> mind. Or, put differently, there was no coherent scientific
> worldview that effectively placed the matter in motion
> mechanics of physics with human consciousness. Hence, the
> infamous and omnipresent “mind-body problem” that comes along
> with the Western Enlightenment science-philosophy.
>
> It also fails as a system to clearly frame the relationship
> between social and scientific onto-epistemologies. This is why
> the postmodern critique of modernism emerges and sticks. That
> is why I now often refer to Modernist Empirical Natural
> Science as */_MENSknowledge.
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> The intentional acronym highlights failed completely in its
> reflective capacities in how it feeds back on society and the
> complex iterative relations between knowledge and power, ala
> Foucault. In the 21^st Century, we need */Wisdom Oriented/*
> Modern Empirical Naturalist Science….
>
> The problem of psychology is at the center of all of this.
> Defined in the academy as the science of behavior and mental
> process, it is a shitshow when it comes to being a coherent
> discipline. What it basically has become is a discipline that
> employs scientific/empirical epistemology to questions of “the
> mind”. But there is no coherent ontology of what people mean
> by science OR mind OR behavior. This is precisely because of
> the Enlightenment Gap, which fails on both the matter/mind and
> social/science knowledge problem.
>
> Coherence in one’s knowledge system is valuable. Moreover, we
> can see, in the mental health and meaning crises that are
> rampant in our society, that there is massive pragmatic
> implications for the failure of a coherent knowledge system
> that includes both STEM and mental and meaningful ways of
> being in the world. So, that is what I am after. A system that
> fills in the Enlightenment Gap, solves the problem of
> psychology, and then allows for a consilient view of the
> natural-into-social sciences that can then orient humanity
> toward the proper humanistic/theological metaphysical vision
> of the future led by brilliant shamanistic artistic
> philosophers, such as yourself!
>
> Best,
> Gregg
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