Just for fun I looked up the dictionary definition of 'determinism': the
doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined
by causes external to the will- which is essentially the way I was using
the term......j

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 1:53 PM JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Peter and TOK, I see your point. I am not a philosopher, so please forgive
> my terminology. I am using the term 'determined' relative to 'Free Will' or
> 'Choice'. As I had indicated previously, I have formulated the First
> Principles of Physiology based on the reverse-engineering of evolution.
> Those principles must be adhered to, and for example I think that's why we
> return to the unicellular state over the course of the life cycle as the
> reference point, or 'point source' (actually, I don't think we leave it
> because it is necessary that we adhere to the ontologic origins of life).
> Perhaps comparison with Pauli Exclusion Principle would be helpful- there
> are 4 variables for calculating the spin on an electron; the first three
> are fixed, whereas the fourth one is probabilistic....I have expressed the
> idea that this is homologous with the First Principles of Physiology,
> negentropy and chemiosmosis being 'fixed', whereas homeostasis is
> probabilistic.  In biology, the term 'constrained' is often used, so
> perhaps that's more like what I am referring to. I would appeciate your
> thoughts. Best, John
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:17 AM Peter Lloyd Jones <
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>
>> John, and TOK,
>> Thank for for your exceptionally thoughtful and inspiring note. I’m
>> hopeful that you can continue to afford my questions. I am out of my ilk
>> here.
>>
>> Can you please tell me if you think we might be using the term
>> “determinism” or “deterministic" differently from each other? Events can
>> have causes, and some events have definitive causes, but does that ever
>> mean that the outcome is determined as in predetermined to only have one
>> possible outcome.
>>
>> For example, a system of negentropy provides a predetermined *type* of
>> result, as in the ordering of a solar system and, as you mentioned, the
>> evolution of organisms. But can the specific results--how many planets are
>> formed, how many of them are gas giants, and so forth--not remain beyond
>> prediction and be not predetermined?  In other words, is there space
>> between a "determined type” of result, such as an ordered solar system, and
>> a specific result, such as planet Earth?
>>
>> Thank you again for your patience with me,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> Peter Lloyd Jones
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>>
>> Sent by determined causes that no amount of will is able to thwart.
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2019, at 9:57 AM, JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Schrodinger, What is Life?
>>
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