Hello Gregg and all ~
I really really enjoyed this. I feel like Kastrup's view does afford much
more meaning than the standard materialist view, as I understand it. I even
had a nice little spiritual somatic experience while listening that helped
me feel the back of my body more completely. Kastrup is really an
interesting thinker, and generous of spirit in my opinion.
I have a couple questions. As a newbie to philosophy who had to look
"ontology" up repeatedly a couple years ago, I hope these are not silly.
The first question is: I understood from the conversation that
Kastrup's ontological theory was not about behavior but about the ground of
being itself, and that science was about behavior. However, he also talks
about the process of dissociation occurring in the universal consciousness
(I forget what term he used) as we animals show up in the universe - there
is some kind of folding, as he described to Vervaeke. Isn't this a
description of behavior? Would that be a different definition of behavior
if so?
The second question is: Vervaeke pointed out in the seven-hour "debate"
with Kastrup that what is known in psychology is that there are unconscious
processes active in the psychological process of dissociation. If Kastrup
points to dissociation of a single human consciousness as an example of the
folding of a monistic conscious reality, isn't he in fact using an example
that contains two "layers," which would result in a dualistic view if
extrapolated to a universal level?
Oh, and this leads to a third, also from Vervaeke, with Henriques in
"Untangling the World Knot of Consciousness:" Defining reality as
fundamental does not seem to explain why people seem to have a form of
consciousness that we don't attribute to rocks or furniture. So this still
doesn't seem to answer how our specific type of consciousness arises, or
how it would do so in artificial general intelligence. Does it?
I dunno, maybe I should just read Kastrup's book. But during the long talk
with Vervaeke, I got the impression that he kind of ignored
Vervaeke's point about dissociation, and so I am thinking maybe it's also
good to get others' perspectives on it.
Thanks much,
Rachel
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:53 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
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> Hi TOK Folks,
>
> Here is the latest UTOKing episode:
>
>
>
> *https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DBG4nuOUeaDk&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=9Z0n0OzUdAAF1MNdUxp3nWL0ms_LqOfIZpiaxAQo7to&s=X7WQWJyx1pbIey6cHB3euipkupBNjsHKAw6GU8_2BDM&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DBG4nuOUeaDk&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=9Z0n0OzUdAAF1MNdUxp3nWL0ms_LqOfIZpiaxAQo7to&s=X7WQWJyx1pbIey6cHB3euipkupBNjsHKAw6GU8_2BDM&e= >*
>
>
>
> *Episode 43: UTOKing with Bernardo Kastrup
> January 17, 2022*
>
> *Title: Analytic Idealism *
>
> In Episode 43, Gregg welcomes Bernardo Kastrup. He is the executive
> director of the Essentia Foundation <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.essentiafoundation.org_&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=9Z0n0OzUdAAF1MNdUxp3nWL0ms_LqOfIZpiaxAQo7to&s=ITgH-AH-qI7zU3UBSRkw9X-5CeEtwVSLw6AbgjHejes&e= >,
> and his work is leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism,
> the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has doctoral degrees in
> philosophy and computer engineering, and he has authored many works and
> given many interviews delineating analytic idealism and why it affords the
> best ontological view. In this conversation, Bernardo provides an overview
> of analytic idealism, and he and Gregg explore its relation with UTOK. They
> demonstrate some key areas of alignment, especially in their shared
> critique of reductive physicalism, explore some overlap between Bernardo's
> concept of Mind-at-large and the Energy Information Implicate Order on the
> Tree of Knowledge System. They also riff on how UTOK frames metacognition,
> and Gregg introduces Justification Systems Theory to Bernardo and the two
> explore possible future domains in which the two systems might complement
> each other.
>
> Here
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__utokingwithgregg.podbean.com_e_ep-2D43-2Dutoking-2Dwith-2Dbernardo-2Dkastrup-2Danalytic-2Didealism_&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=9Z0n0OzUdAAF1MNdUxp3nWL0ms_LqOfIZpiaxAQo7to&s=GBIYTzVfp5Ter-mX_xJT2b291RIQhx7VSWdZShGR53g&e= >
> is the episode on podbean. Here <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bernardokastrup.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=9Z0n0OzUdAAF1MNdUxp3nWL0ms_LqOfIZpiaxAQo7to&s=yBOT_Sw7xB3pMMV86_F8hwy3ASNvf4nLpOvG449ZQck&e= > is
> Bernardo's homepage.
>
>
>
>
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