Joe if I may ever so gently pull on a thread... That other countries have
centralized PH...
Beyond the fallacy of consensus gentium, there is this from the UK
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.spectator.co.uk_article_boris-2Dneeds-2Dto-2Drethink-2Dhis-2Dcovid-2Dstrategy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=-O2E-TvgZEaGGe_k67NeM1hHPT2_8KJ0Nr_ckITxRds&e=
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:29 PM James Lyons-Weiler <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Dear Joe,
> Thank you for your questions. The emotional reaction is expected, it's
> common w/cognitive dissonance. Plus, I'm a newcomer and
> people have published atrociously mostly incorrect things about me on the
> internet. I appreciate the opportunity to speak for myself in this
> community.
>
> i've addressed your other questions to the best of my ability. I hope they
> clarify reality as my focused scientific attention has caused my brain to
> perceive:
>
> But perhaps you mean, as Senator Jensen discusses in his video, the
> centralization & authoritarianism from a political standpoint - and the
> manner in which knowledge has been controlled and disseminated?
>
>
>
> *No, I mean it’s strategically insane in a world of biothreats to have all
> of our public health response in one organization – geographically and
> paradigmically*
>
> If that's the case, then I think we would probably find a consensus on
> such a concern, whether that be in the context of the DHS regulating &
> censoring Dr. Jensen inappropriately, or whether that be the large-scale
> politicization of medical & public health knowledge from the president on
> down through the CDC, etc.
>
> *Yes, politicization, that’s unforgiveable recklessness. *
>
> *However, the greater concern is the corporate regulatory capture, which
> transcends politics and party, and has been endemic to the operations of
> HHS, including FDA and CDC, for decades.*
>
> *US Agencies have perverse incentives due to Bayh-Dohl; they are
> for-profit agencies that sometimes collude and sometimes compete w/the
> companies they are supposed to regulate.*
>
> *The arrangement is dysfunctional and, as we now see, dangerous.*
>
> Setting politics aside, it strikes me that perhaps the types of
> knowledge that would be helpful would be a combination of what I've
> suggested previously & some of what you're suggesting - and I'm wondering
> if you could do just that, at least for this list & in light of current
> knowledge?
>
> 1) What are the most significant risk factors associated w/ contracting
> COVID-19, both from the standpoint of individual health and susceptibility
> to certain pathogens, as well as from a broader determinants of health
> framework?
>
> *The groups at higher risk of dying with or from COVID are the elderly
> (also true in the general population from all causes), the morbidly obese
> (also true in the general population from all causes), those with
> cardiovascular disease (also true in the general population from call
> causes).*
>
> *What we do not yet know includes the true risk profile of these groups,
> per month, from comparisons of cases and controls, and among cases and
> other cases (the other respiratory viral infections I mentioned).*
>
> *The original treatments did not deal with coagulopathy; that’s now being
> dealt with. They also used ventilators on protocol settings – too much
> pressure for those w/damaged alveolar tissue. The virus infects all of the
> way to the periphery, unusual for respiratory viruses. Many protocols of
> outpatient care are being published.*
>
> 2) What can we reasonably, reliably, and accurately say about COVID-19 in
> terms of comorbidity?
>
> *Until the group comparisons I mentioned above are conducted, not much.
> I’m aghast that the public has not been updated. My medical associates
> tell me there are no special protocols in place any longer beyond those
> normal for flu. The public has no idea.*
>
> Or, to your latter point, what about the possibility of adjusting COVID-19
> estimates to talk about the presence of the virus or as "one of the
> contributing factdors" in deaths where that has been verified?
>
> *Yes. Baseline deaths per month in 2019 should be subtracted from per
> month deaths for all ages – year by year, as in actuarial science.
> Arm-waving numbers unanchored to any reference point is scary.*
>
> *For example, my analysis of data for men >70 (Finder’s insurance data)
> gives me an odds of death from any cause in 2019 within one year at 6.7%.
> That’s 0.55% death per month for each month, so it’s a tough comparison but
> that % should be subtracted at a minimum. *
>
> I certainly agree with Dr. Jensen that I would NOT want COVID-19 to be
> listed as the "cause of death" where that has NOT been verified, or where
> no testing has been done, or where it's just assumed to be there as per the
> case of NY that Jensen cited. But I'm also not comfortable either with
> people saying "It's a hoax & only a few thousand people have died from
> COVID-19, so it's really nothing."
>
> *Rest easy, I am also not comfortable with that assessment. But we do
> have to wonder how it compares to influenza – which I estimate (after
> removing pneumonia not due to influenza infection, RSV, SV and coronavirus
> deaths from 2014-2019) to be about 5,000 flu deaths per year. Not 60,000.
> Not 80,000. *
>
> *See *
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_09_11_censored-2Dis-2Dcdc-2Dborrowing-2Dpneumonia-2Ddeaths-2Dfrom-2Dflu-25E2-2580-258B-2Dfor-2Dfrom-2Dcovid-2D19_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=PiGbzT92m9ZKPwx1eaXVKuYJWncO6os82bExFLpTDBw&e=
>
> *This is why counting “died with” vs. “died from” matters*
>
> Thus do we have the data to be able to state the prevalence of the
> disease, especially broken down by the testing results & risk factors?
>
> *No, because the tests are not reliable. See Dr. Sin Hang Lee’s study –
> mentioned here:*
>
> *https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.businesswire.com_news_home_20200717005397_en_CDC-2DCoronavirus-2DTest-2DKits-2DGenerate-2D30-2DFalse&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=llPwhZq94M_LOgATRFdrYU4PTlL35_K9abSbCCc5lk8&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.businesswire.com_news_home_20200717005397_en_CDC-2DCoronavirus-2DTest-2DKits-2DGenerate-2D30-2DFalse&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=llPwhZq94M_LOgATRFdrYU4PTlL35_K9abSbCCc5lk8&e= >*
>
> *I interviewed him on #UnbreakingScience. We worked out that ¼ of the
> tests are wrong. I’ve written to FDA – they have never, not once, had CDC
> or any other test maker determine the specificity of the tests. It’s close
> to infuriating, actually.*
>
> And then can we adjust our discussion of mortality rates and qualify these
> in line with the evidence & comorbidity?
>
> *“We” should not have to. “They” should be doing it correctly, that’s
> what “we” pay taxes for. But no, we cannot given the current state of
> data.*
>
> *We could all know if a study had been done on 1,000 cases and 1,000
> controls of people over 70 dying in hospitals all who had comorbid
> conditions, *
>
> *all test for all resp viruses, all tested w/their PCR products sequenced.*
>
> Finally, can we discuss as well the degree to which COVID-19 exacerbates -
> or does NOT exacerbate - certain pre-existing conditions and does/does not
> increase mortality risk?
>
> *One of my peer reviewed studies predicted the now confirmed autoimmune
> targeting of immune proteins by the COVID19 virus. So people may have
> serious problems if exposed to the viral proteins a second time after
> infection.*
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencedirect.com_science_article_pii_S2589909020300186&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=Wy69yOVNsyw0Wv4mv_4Iccvkmv84uj6yd5b1dY8FHbE&e=
>
> In short, I still have a lot of methodological/epistemological questions
> about COVID-19 - and the most credible scientific knowledge we can
> generate. That's my baseline. Yet even if we get there, as we learned from
> Hume, that will not tell us what we should "do" in response to cope w/ the
> virus.
>
> *Sweden is done. I think we should follow the example in Sweden and let
> the virus run its course, which it’s doing anyway. We should protect those
> at risk, and, frankly change our #1 public health agenda to making sure
> people have Th1/Th2 balanced immune systems. Those with Th2-skewed immunes
> systems do not do well with COVID19 recovery.*
>
> But finding more common ground in our knowledge of the numbers, and the
> causes and consequences/sequelae of COVID-19, would surely be a helpful
> starting place.
>
> *We have common ground in wanting the truth. I truly wish I could say that
> was possible. The 1K vs 1K study I mentioned above would help.*
>
> For example, I have a friend from high school who was in his late 50s,
> overweight, and ended up in hospital for over a month & on a ventilator for
> quite a period of time - but actually managed to recover from COVID-19. And
> that's the other part of medical research I've never fully understood,
> i.e., why we don't invest more time on figuring out why people survive
> life-threatening diseases as opposed to succumbing to the diseases (e.g.,
> why not study the 5% who survive a certain cancer rather than the 95% who
> succumb?). I would welcome your scientific assessment, or your summary of
> the broader sci community's efforts on the above questions.
>
> *I think I answered that above w/the Th2 skew. T-cell counts could be
> used as prognostic biomarkers. There are others. I’d like to develop a
> prediction model*
>
> *P(Death w/from COVID) = F(BMI, Smoking status, T-cell count, age)*
>
>
> *And formalize this with data from hospitals. I’m expert in prediction
> modeling optimization via machine learning from my days working w/NCI's
> EDRN. I'd be happy to do such a study. *
>
> *If your friend had access to Dr. Brownstein”s protocol perhaps he would
> have felt better in the median four to five days> That study is available
> here*
>
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.publichealthpolicyjournal.com_clinical-2Dand-2Dtranslational-2Dresearch&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=GV-cJ0CmPCO6T5aQR3JfYhDQLU50vQ2-iPfRSPOmurw&e=
>
> *Even Fauci is now saying to up your VitD.*
>
> *Cheers,*
>
> Jack
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM Joseph Michalski <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jack & colleagues:
>>
>> I'm intrigued by these issues, as I believe most people on this list
>> might be, because of the scope of the pandemic & the social & economic
>> consequences. Life has changed dramatically in 2020 as a result. And I've
>> been trying to make sense out of your arguments & research, Jack, to assist
>> with learning & understanding. With 11 points from the other day, there was
>> so much packed in there and so much I did not know about, that I could only
>> respond to a couple of items where I could bring a little bit of knowledge
>> & perspective. But then I looked into the sequencing research you &
>> colleagues have been doing, which is above my pay grade. I also have
>> studied quite a bit of the research on co-morbidity, which I understand
>> much better than the sequencing research. So, rather than bog everyone down
>> with too much more of my inchoate ramblings, may I ask a favour on behalf
>> of not just myself, but everyone interested in these matters on the list?
>>
>> In particular, you might appreciate that statements such as this "I'm
>> tuned into a huge medical community not happy
>> with the authoritarian centralization of public health in the US - and
>> corporate capture of regulatory agencies" will tend to evoke a great many
>> emotional responses that are not likely to help us approach the event
>> horizon of truth. Especially since most of the rest of the world has
>> centralized, universal health care systems that have worked quite well &
>> yielded population results that are objectively better than the U.S. system
>> (e.g., lower IMR, higher life expectancies, etc.). But perhaps you mean, as
>> Senator Jensen discusses in his video, the centralization &
>> authoritarianism from a political standpoint - and the manner in which
>> knowledge has been controlled and disseminated? If that's the case, then I
>> think we would probably find a consensus on such a concern, whether that be
>> in the context of the DHS regulating & censoring Dr. Jensen
>> inappropriately, or whether that be the large-scale politicization of
>> medical & public health knowledge from the president on down through the
>> CDC, etc. Setting politics aside, it strikes me that perhaps the types of
>> knowledge that would be helpful would be a combination of what I've
>> suggested previously & some of what you're suggesting - and I'm wondering
>> if you could do just that, at least for this list & in light of current
>> knowledge?
>>
>> 1) What are the most significant risk factors associated w/ contracting
>> COVID-19, both from the standpoint of individual health and susceptibility
>> to certain pathogens, as well as from a broader determinants of health
>> framework?
>>
>> 2) What can we reasonably, reliably, and accurately say about COVID-19 in
>> terms of comorbidity? Or, to your latter point, what about the possibility
>> of adjusting COVID-19 estimates to talk about the presence of the virus or
>> as "one of the contributing factdors" in deaths where that has been
>> verified? I certainly agree with Dr. Jensen that I would NOT want COVID-19
>> to be listed as the "cause of death" where that has NOT been verified, or
>> where no testing has been done, or where it's just assumed to be there as
>> per the case of NY that Jensen cited. But I'm also not comfortable either
>> with people saying "It's a hoax & only a few thousand people have died from
>> COVID-19, so it's really nothing." Thus do we have the data to be able to
>> state the prevalence of the disease, especially broken down by the testing
>> results & risk factors? And then can we adjust our discussion of mortality
>> rates and qualify these in line with the evidence & comorbidity? Finally,
>> can we discuss as well the degree to which COVID-19 exacerbates - or does
>> NOT exacerbate - certain pre-existing conditions and does/does not increase
>> mortality risk?
>>
>> In short, I still have a lot of methodological/epistemological questions
>> about COVID-19 - and the most credible scientific knowledge we can
>> generate. That's my baseline. Yet even if we get there, as we learned from
>> Hume, that will not tell us what we should "do" in response to cope w/ the
>> virus. But finding more common ground in our knowledge of the numbers, and
>> the causes and consequences/sequelae of COVID-19, would surely be a helpful
>> starting place. For example, I have a friend from high school who was in
>> his late 50s, overweight, and ended up in hospital for over a month & on a
>> ventilator for quite a period of time - but actually managed to recover
>> from COVID-19. And that's the other part of medical research I've never
>> fully understood, i.e., why we don't invest more time on figuring out why
>> people survive life-threatening diseases as opposed to succumbing to the
>> diseases (e.g., why not study the 5% who survive a certain cancer rather
>> than the 95% who succumb?). I would welcome your scientific assessment, or
>> your summary of the broader sci community's efforts on the above questions.
>>
>> Respectfully, -Joe
>>
>> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski
>>
>> Professor
>>
>> King’s University College at Western University
>>
>> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201
>>
>> London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3
>>
>> Tel: (519) 433-3491
>>
>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> ______________________
>>
>> *ei*π + 1 = 0
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of James Lyons-Weiler <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:26 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject:* Re: UHC COVID 19 update
>>
>> Waldemar,
>>
>> Not to worry about my surname. Please call me Jack.
>>
>> Re: your question,
>> (1) yes, that is accurate
>> (2) no, it is not possible to determine the proportion of "deaths with"
>> vs. "deaths from". Various
>> reasons have been given for the decision to default on "died with",
>> including "autopsies are dangerous".
>>
>> The solution to questions is Science. It befuddles me why the numbers
>> are not adjusted using data from
>> multiple studies in which "COVID19" cadavers are tested for respiratory
>> viruses of ALL common types, Influenza,
>> Respiratory Syncytial Virus, syncytial virus, and coronavirus.
>>
>> Also, consider Senator Dr. Scott Jensen who questioned COVID19 death
>> rates in Minnesota -
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DKpGeRFK0tao&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=G1zkPmpMVo-ksPG26TZieESICnw2WAPcjIYFOJfm6BU&e=
>>
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DKpGeRFK0tao&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=E1ba9o6DrFMmLC9TqxiDIJl95nwcEelGK3Fe0eXho7A&e=>
>>
>>
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DKpGeRFK0tao&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=E1ba9o6DrFMmLC9TqxiDIJl95nwcEelGK3Fe0eXho7A&e=>
>> He fought the medical board inquiry with facts and reality, and it was
>> dropped in the face of the evidence.
>>
>> Here, a UPMC doctor updates on COVID19 lethality - some time ago now!
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uk.news.yahoo.com_upmc-2Ddoctor-2Dquestions-2Dreported-2Dhigh-2D025518228.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=xrRue4LfCHo-U7I2v5BWI6_liU7ZpW9-6AKExGvCoiY&e=
>>
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uk.news.yahoo.com_upmc-2Ddoctor-2Dquestions-2Dreported-2Dhigh-2D025518228.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=NCkViJMEvzHtHP1Npo9GU2yzMf8qx5ACLK4B1ka3UOg&e=>
>>
>> When confronted with information that questions the official narrative, I
>> try to seek independent confirmation
>> from multiple independent sources. I'm tuned into a huge medical
>> community not happy
>> with the authoritarian centralization of public health in the US - and
>> corporate capture of regulatory agencies.
>>
>> I turn skepticism into science on questions I can address. I was much
>> more concerned about COVID19
>> which was alleged to have a 13% death rate in people at risk... but those
>> numbers were offered in a vacuum,
>> not considering the risk of death of people in those groups w/out COVID19.
>>
>> I think a very good careful analysis could be done and given the baseline
>> monthly death rate
>> for these groups from 2019.
>>
>> I hope this helps,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - *Your manuscripts, etc, bring into focus important questions about
>> the natural vs manufactured origins of nCoV-2.*
>> - *Your perception is that covid-19 should not be considered the
>> cause of the number of nCoV-2 related deaths. That is, that the vast
>> majority of these deaths are not directly so relatable. *
>> - *Rather, these deaths, and other morbidities are instead relatable
>> to either the patients’ underlying disease/s, their particular genetics, or
>> both.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 4:32 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dr Lyons-Weller:
>>
>> Please excuse me, if you will, for having mis-spelled your surname in my
>> previous message.
>>
>> And, thank you for your reply.
>> It is helpful to me - to the extent of my knowledge of viral genomes.
>>
>> If you will, please allow me to iterate my understanding of your work.
>>
>>
>> - Your manuscripts, etc, bring into focus important questions about
>> the natural vs manufactured origins of nCoV-2.
>> - Your perception is that covid-19 should not be considered the cause
>> of the number of nCoV-2 related deaths. That is, that the vast majority of
>> these deaths are not directly so relatable. Rather, these deaths, and
>> other morbidities are instead relatable to either the patients’ underlying
>> disease/s, their particular genetics, or both.
>>
>>
>> Are these accurate statements?
>>
>> If so, how would you characterize the nature of the morbidities and
>> mortalities which are appropriately and directly attributable to nCoV-2?
>>
>> I am curious because, irrespective of the genesis of nCoV-2 and covid-19,
>> I perceive the disease as similar to but also uniquely different from other
>> viral-caused morbidities and mortalities affecting mankind.
>>
>> May I also affirm that my original query was not a critique of your work
>> - I am not qualified to do so.
>> Rather, I am sincerely and deeply interested in the sufferings and
>> morbidities affecting our species.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Waldemar
>>
>> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD*
>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
>> 503.631.8044
>>
>> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:46 PM, James Lyons-Weiler <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Dr. Schmidt,
>> I indeed did address that critique, with science:
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_02_15_coronavirus-2Dorigins-2Danatomy-2Dof-2Da-2Dscientific-2Dinference_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=MaQj-FGTzcVBoAwx8kH4_kTUZvxu8uSG2cLsG1iRu3Y&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_02_15_coronavirus-2Dorigins-2Danatomy-2Dof-2Da-2Dscientific-2Dinference_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=-qGPwHrXsJCIL9sJw4x2aK_3cUMAZCNV_AlnT6ZygDI&e=>
>>
>> And see my full in-depth test of the hypothesis of lab origin here:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ipaknowledge.org_covid-2D19-2Dand-2Dsars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dresearch.php&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=CL1eGC4213-dB6M8FxKxmgfxdl6Hw9VfIauLv-LpCOs&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ipaknowledge.org_covid-2D19-2Dand-2Dsars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dresearch.php&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=mCAvwZCas686pJLlQ4-NaOdDkQ_PO7M252a7tdWVEYo&e=>
>>
>> The critique woefully misrepresents my position and the history of the
>> discourse in which my ideas
>> were explored. In fact, I offered four hypotheses. To this day, we
>> cannot rule out whether the virus
>> was caught by lab worker.
>>
>> My study shows that the spike protein of the virus predates the outbreak
>> by 15 years.
>>
>> For a short explanation, see
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_03_16_sars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dorigins-2Dipak-2Dresearch-2Dexonerates-2Ddr-2Dshi_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=I8sEUfvUlcXdaIVgN-H-zaxKUGFFLyGfJfcqC7DY-P4&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_03_16_sars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dorigins-2Dipak-2Dresearch-2Dexonerates-2Ddr-2Dshi_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=Ea5_Db6fGC-hf46Q7XqsBOICaX9xALJLLXH_qMvbdqo&e=>
>>
>>
>> For the aged, as Dr. Brownstein has advised my elderly in-laws:
>> Be up on your Vit D, Vit A, take care to have sufficient iodine, extra C,
>> exercise, and ask those
>> who may have been in contact with someone who is infected to not visit
>> for a while. Avoid large gatherings.
>>
>> I would presume that these all will help reduce overall risk of mortality
>> from any respiratory virus.
>>
>> Happy to chat w/you by phone if you have further questions - email me @
>> [log in to unmask] if you care to.
>>
>> Respectfully back atcha,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:32 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps Dr Lyons-Weller would respond to:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov_pmc_articles_PMC7144200_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=zUqXA5H6YHB0e-NcHYC3WqTzCqiYHyGNcO7XmAdq8BE&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov_pmc_articles_PMC7144200_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=LXRs4yqzzu7UNpsoi4dxktRCNm-Eg8YB58QSPK88ff8&s=9N4rqoeLCuVdoIeSsm7jNA121vNLktgKHlpac0QBlqM&e=>
>>
>>
>> At the same time, would you clarify for those of us who are aged, the
>> significance of the data you present?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Waldemar
>>
>> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD*
>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
>> 503.631.8044
>>
>> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Joseph Michalski <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks. Gregg provided some info on COVID-19 shared through JMU, while
>> James has offered a variety of different reasons to suggest that "the data
>> are off by quite a bit." From what I can infer, James mainly seems to be
>> arguing that there are medical dimensions that are certainly more nuanced
>> and complicated, such that there may be reasons to consider the pandemic
>> somewhat less serious and more manageable through various treatments and
>> different approaches. That seems like a reasonable assertion, or at least
>> one that can be debated credibly amongst those who have greater scientific
>> expertise in those fields. Alas, I do not have adequate knowledge or
>> expertise - and thus have to rely upon others & weigh their competing
>> arguments & evidence. If we are quite honest, then many of us - myself
>> included - will have to conclude that for the most part "I don't know."
>> Here, I'm channeling Daniel Schmactenberger here with the statement "I
>> don't know." Not because I don't care, but because I genuinely don't have
>> the expertise and the science remains hotly contested in some realms.
>> What's salient here is the Daniel's argument from a recent podcast that:
>>
>> "I actually care so much that I’m not willing to have false confidence
>> that biases me, because once I start to believe ‘I think I know’, now I
>> just have confirmation bias where I look for things that confirm that and
>> throw out the other things and surround myself with people that agree with
>> me. And if I really care, that’s the worst thing I can do. I ruin my
>> ability to be connected to reality at that point, instead just wanting to
>> get confirmation of a particular type of social signal from a particular
>> audience that will confirm that for me. And so I’d much rather be able to
>> say ‘I really care and I really don’t know and that’s uncomfortable.”
>>
>> So, on the scientific matters that pertain to the behavior of pathogens,
>> their mutation, and the human-immuno responses to such pathogens, I would
>> certainly like clearer evidence & explanations for public consumption - but
>> I do have to trust the scientists in these areas and their expertise since
>> I do not have the same knowledge base obviously. It would certainly seem
>> plausible based on the broader epidemiological & publish health frameworks
>> - where I have much more knowledge - that we would expect highly variable
>> risks across the population associated with: a) contracting COVID-19; and
>> b) the more adverse effects. What would be most helpful, then, for public
>> consumption would be a greater consensus on the importance of different
>> risk factors in these regards. That still doesn't tell people how they
>> "should" behave or what government policies "should" be, but it would
>> certainly help place the discussion of firmer footing and more common
>> ground. For example, if the elderly are at significantly greater risk, then
>> one can debate the degree to which they should be more "quarantined" and
>> "protected" - and what measures that might involve - as compared with, say,
>> elementary school children. One then has to factor into the models what
>> kinds of contact can occur and how that might be restricted. Speaking from
>> a practical, policy standpoint, then that may lead to what has happened,
>> for example, to my 91-year-old mother in her assisted-living facility in
>> Virginia (I'm from the U.S. originally), where they've implemented strict
>> rules for contact & visitation, etc. But that's a vastly different envt
>> than your average Wal-Mart store. Our schools are open here in Canada, but
>> there are some mixed results and some concerns (which I won't get into
>> here) - and thus we are constantly updating our policies and responses. The
>> generally accepted wisdom has been social distancing, masks for entering
>> stores/fitness facilities/etc. (but not for outdoor meals at restaurants),
>> and other simple measures that are widely accepted by the vast majority of
>> the population - and more targeted testing, among other strategies. Then,
>> when a nursing friend of ours contracted COVID-19 - along with her two
>> 20-something daughters - they all quarantined & we delivered food & other
>> essentials by dropping them off on the doorstep for a couple of weeks. They
>> recovered without having to be hospitalized - again perhaps reflecting
>> different "risks" and yet at the same time behaving in an obviously
>> socially responsible way by not putting anyone else at risk.
>>
>> This leads me to a couple of James' latter points (#9 & #11), where I can
>> offer some sociological insights, since that's my actual area of expertise
>> (although I confess that I often don't feel like an expert there either,
>> despite 35 years of training in that field, which is more of a mess than
>> psychology, IMHO). RE: Sweden. Even there, the discussions are complicated
>> & there's not yet really a consensus, even though there are clearly some
>> positive results that are worth noting. So why not simply "emulate Sweden"?
>> Because neither the U.S. nor Canada are anywhere close to Sweden in terms
>> of the ecological environments and, more important, in terms of population
>> diversity - and trust in government. Thus we have far more diverse
>> populations with which to contend - meaning there will be different
>> distributions of relative risk factors, as well as cultural diversity that
>> involves different sequalae & behavioral responses, not to mention
>> different risks of things like obesity, etc. Additionally, Swedes arguably
>> have far more trust in their government & experts - based on public opinion
>> polling and attitudinal research - than in Canada and definitely as
>> compared w/ the U.S. In turn, that trust tends to be reciprocated and the
>> Swedish govt does not have to be as heavy-handed w/ their enforcement,
>> trusting the good will and intelligence of a better educated, more
>> homogeneous, and more trusting population to "do the right thing." That's
>> much harder to accomplish, especially in the U.S. where many of risk
>> factors are exacerbated with huge discrepancies in education, wealth,
>> languages/cultures, access to affordable healthcare, etc. The general point
>> is that where you have less diversity & less extremes on a number of key
>> measures, it's much easier to get people to go along w/ the program - and
>> to look after each other in more meaningful ways.
>>
>> Finally, in regard to James' last point that "The politicization of
>> COVID19 and early mistakes in policy (IMHO) have had immeasurable costs to
>> society including deaths of despair," I would tend to agree. But then look
>> at who has been mainly responsible - try to be as objective & apolitical in
>> your assessment - and how the U.S. system lacked a meaningful, coordinated
>> response - and you have to admit a highly dysfunctional system & far more
>> that I could comment on than anyone would be willing to listen to from just
>> another "outsider." But I can objectively compare policies and practices in
>> Canada and the U.S. - and draw some reasonable conclusions. Yes, we wanted
>> businesses to re-open here & have no interest in destroying the economy any
>> more than anyone else would wish that for the U.S. or for other countries.
>> But we responded differently. For example, we invested heavily in our EI
>> supports (employment benefits) and extended these in far more generous
>> ways, made sure no one fell through the cracks in terms of our collective
>> responses to health, housing, and econ marginalization, and have invested
>> further in mental health supports, as well as other preventive responses.
>> And that includes in jurisdictions, like Ontario, headed by quite
>> conservative political leadership. Have we handled things perfectly? Of
>> course not. Yet our re-opening in phases strategu seems to be working
>> reasonably well, the key behavioral changes like wearing masks in indoor
>> spaces w/ the general public remain intact, and we are not pointing the
>> fingers at one another or at our politicians or public health experts *for
>> the most part *(but we certainly have our extremists here too, both on
>> the left and on the right).
>>
>> In closing, I think it's still reasonable to argue that the pandemic
>> remains a serious public health issue on a global scale - and much of the
>> science remains to be decided. I'd rather trust the experts in immunology
>> and people like James to work on these issues, and not rush to judgments or
>> to vaccines. But I still have faith in the many scientists & experts to
>> figure out the biomedical & immunological issues, if we can slow down and
>> let them do their jobs - including the critical feedback and skepticism
>> from the broader community that science requires. On the
>> social/cultural/political side, however, I'd argue the issues are even
>> *more* complex and the dynamics in the U.S. especially have created
>> something of a "perfect storm". One doesn't have to be a Trump hater to
>> recognize that he's probably not the person you'd want in charge during a
>> pandemic. But, to be fair, I don't know that anyone could have led the U.S.
>> effectively on this one, given the deeper social, cultural, political, and
>> ecological problems currently facing the nation. I mean, it boggles the
>> mind that you'd still not be able to get safe, clean water to the residents
>> of Flint, Michigan. Compare that to our response to Walkerton here in
>> Ontario some years ago. More specifically, if you're going to engage in a
>> largescale econ shutdown, then you'd need to invest far more resources to
>> deal w/ the fallout (such as mental health issues, suicidal ideation, etc.)
>> rather than just let everyone cope of their own. Apart from the divisive
>> rhetoric associated w/ an econ shutdown, the last thing you would want to
>> do from a public health perspective would be to guarantee widespread
>> unemployment and combine that with a lack of policies to ensure healthy
>> access to basic resources, healthcare, and income security. Naturally, if
>> you're not willing to provide these sorts of things for the economically
>> at-risk, the small business owners, etc. - than you better NOT shut down
>> the economy. You see the dilemma? Simply put, you need to have some
>> degree of trust and "depoliticization" to coordinate integrated,
>> constructive responses to public health crises, pandemics, and even natural
>> disasters. That's a tall order when you have so much division, diversity
>> and inequality in the U.S., as I can explain further based on my work and
>> my field.
>>
>> Respectfully yours, -Joe
>>
>> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski
>> Professor
>> King’s University College at Western University
>> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201
>> London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3
>> Tel: (519) 433-3491
>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>> ______________________
>>
>> *ei*π + 1 = 0
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of James Lyons-Weiler <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 11:47 AM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject:* Re: FW: UHC COVID 19 update
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Gregg. I'm going to upload for you all 11 points on COVID that
>> will certainly be food for thought.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the data are off quite a bit. As we are, I
>> believe, a collection of realists. I should point out that
>>
>> (1) CDC decided to count all who die with PCR positive COVID tests as
>> "died from", failing to distinguish "died from" from "died with". They have
>> in the past convolved "influenza" deaths with deaths from other
>> respiratory viruses (RSV, SV and, ironically, coronavirus). Only about 9%
>> of
>> "flu deaths" from 2014-2019 were confirmed to involve influenza virus.
>> Dr. Biix announced this in March.
>> (2) FDA did not require empirical estimates of false positives in PCR
>> tests for Emergency Use Authorization. Even more recently, they had all
>> test
>> makers characterizing sensitivity, but not specificity. I have written
>> to FDA wondering why.
>> (3) Independent studies are finding high false positive rates of PCR
>> tests (e.g., Dr. Sin Hang Lee, Millford, CT).
>> (4) Coupled (1) with the reality that the PCR tests have false positives
>> in the field use, mass testing (screening) will find more false positives
>> in raw numbers than true positives. This is true for cases and deaths.
>> It's the reason we do not all get CT scans for cancer every year -
>> too many infections due to biopsies of FPs. There is no rule (that exists
>> or that is in use) telling us when, as pandemic progresses, it is ethical
>> to switch from symptom-based testing to mass testing (I've worked that out
>> mathematically and am trying to publish it).
>> (5) The safety of COVID19 medical care has increased dramatically; high
>> death rates due to the use of ventilators are being replaced with low
>> pressure high 02 protocols.
>> (6) Many deaths have involved a strange coagulopathy. This condition is
>> very simple to prevent with proper medicine.
>> (7) Only certain types of people (with pro-inflammatory, autoimmune-prone
>> Th2 skewed immune systems) appear to be at risk. Some think this may be
>> genetic (lack of a particular initial "innate" immunity (mediated by
>> interleukin-1):
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nih.gov_news-2Devents_news-2Dreleases_scientists-2Ddiscover-2Dgenetic-2Dimmunologic-2Dunderpinnings-2Dsome-2Dcases-2Dsevere-2Dcovid-2D19&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=AwdJTMQQiiM9Nxg2mQV6r-aaHh7uU7RwQyMJ_hKvdh4&e=
>>
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nih.gov_news-2Devents_news-2Dreleases_scientists-2Ddiscover-2Dgenetic-2Dimmunologic-2Dunderpinnings-2Dsome-2Dcases-2Dsevere-2Dcovid-2D19&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=rp42bcAc7ghxhiY3EZqDjJXHt9X3Sf3SFD6kThve7Ys&e=>
>> (8) Combine (1) with (7) and the fact that in 2019 people >70 have the
>> same probability of dying in one year as the Infection Case Fatality Rate
>> in COVID19, a large portion of deaths were likely due to "COVID19
>> exacerbating pre-existing conditions" (get and stay healthy, my friends!)
>> (9) Sweden did not lock down, and their # new cases has been near zero;
>> thus, the elderly etc are now protected in Sweden. While they have been
>> criticized for higher number of deaths in the elderly, this was temporary
>> because they appear to have achieved herd immunity; we have not; flattening
>> the curve obviously extends the duration of the outbreak, and there are now
>> many, many scholars, including MDs and public health scientists who say
>> Sweden "got it right".
>> (10) I am editor-in-chief of a journal "Science, Public Health Policy &
>> the Law" and I suggest a read of the case series by Dr. Brownstein and
>> team, which I have attached. Many studies are now showing *protective* value
>> of Vitamin D (specifically D3). I think it helps us fold our proteins
>> properly, reducing endoplasmic reticulum stress (1/3 of our proteins
>> require help folding in the lumen of the ER, and environmental toxins
>> impair that process are increasingly abundant).
>> (11) The politicization of COVID19 and early mistakes in policy (IMHO)
>> have had immeasurable costs to society including deaths of despair.
>>
>> If you're into immunology, attached is a compressed file with some slides
>> for a lecture I gave with .pdfs of publications relevant to most of the
>> points of the talk.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> JLW
>>
>> Immunology of COVID19.rar
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_d_10lXizA7n6nuiyV-5FaB99KkNYiCcGgLNIh_view-3Fusp-3Ddrive-5Fweb&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=O0smwdV2Fdlhve0s1cfBFstDpqb9khTMjI9hrZXTSUc&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:56 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> I thought this was a useful summary of COVID that JMU University Health
>> Center provided, so I am sharing it.
>> G
>> >>>
>> *Global *cases now exceed 32 million. New global daily cases now average
>> about 285,000. India continues to have the most new daily cases, averaging
>> about 87,000.
>> The US and Brazil continue in 2nd and 3rd place. Other South American
>> countries (Argentina, Columbia) and some European countries are also seeing
>> significant numbers. France and Spain are seeing a greater surge now than
>> they did in the spring. On the positive side, *the death rate has been
>> significantly lower in these countries*. The US 7-day moving average for
>> test positivity rate has decreased to 4.9%, but daily testing still remains
>> only around 800,000. Testing volume in the US continues to lag. However,
>> these data reflect PCR testing. Antigen testing is becoming more available
>> and being used more. States are just now adding these tests to their data.
>> <Outlook-o04hdpqa.png><Outlook-tunqnyoi.png>
>> *Nationally*, total cases have now exceeded 7 million and are currently
>> reported at 7,139,553. New daily cases continue to hover around 40,000. The
>> average daily death rate is around 800. This is significantly lower than in
>> April. Texas, California, and Florida remain as the top 3 states for new
>> cases.
>> <Outlook-3oeb0tqv.png><Outlook-afhtij3h.png>
>> *The Commonwealth* reports a total of 143,492 cases and 3,113 deaths.
>> The testing % positivity is currently at 5.3% which is a significant
>> downward trend over the past 2 weeks.
>> <Outlook-lxlk1n5n.png>
>> The Central Shenandoah Health District has also seen a significant
>> decline in the 7-day moving average for test positivity, dropping from
>> 18.3% on 9/6 to 7.9%.
>> <Outlook-nk0mz1ny.png>
>>
>> *Locality*
>> *Current total cases*
>> *New cases over the past 9 days*
>> *Prior 5 day data on new cases*
>> Harrisonburg
>> 2564
>> 518
>> 233
>> Rockingham County
>> 1403
>> 199
>> 90
>> Augusta County
>> 472
>> 38
>> 28
>> Staunton
>> 250
>> 31
>> 30
>> Waynesboro
>> 257
>> 9
>> 14
>> Shenandoah County
>> 804
>> 13
>> 9
>> Page County
>> 389
>> 13
>> 10
>> At JMU we are seeing fewer positive test and fewer people reporting a
>> positive test performed elsewhere. However, we are also seeing fewer people
>> get tested and therefore our 7-day average test positivity remains around
>> 17%. All cases occurring in employees have been a result of either non-JMU
>> related exposure or employee to employee (rather than student to employee)
>> exposure. The reports are that face mask use in the academic settings has
>> been very good. This significantly accounts for a lack of transmission
>> between student and faculty.
>> Vaccine development continues with new vaccines being developed and
>> entering clinical trials. Two of the vaccines that are furthest along in
>> development are m-RNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer). However, there is a
>> very interesting and concerning logistic related to these vaccines-the cold
>> chain storage required. These vaccines require storage at -94 degrees
>> Fahrenheit (yes, minus 94). Transport would require storage in dry ice.
>> These vaccines last 24 hours at refrigerated temperatures between 36.6-46.4
>> Fahrenheit. In contrast, vaccines under development by Sanofi and Novavax
>> are stable for months at typical refrigerated temperatures.
>> Johnson & Johnson has a single dose vaccine entering phase 3 trials while
>> Merck and Sanofi (both well-known and well-respected in vaccine
>> development) have vaccines in development and entering clinical trials. An
>> important factor is the corporate knowledge, infrastructure, and ability of
>> these two companies to both vaccine development and large-scale production.
>> They may be late in the game but they should not be counted out. This
>> article
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.statnews.com_2020_09_24_here-2Dcome-2Dthe-2Dtortoises-2Din-2Dthe-2Drace-2Dfor-2Da-2Dcovid-2D19-2Dvaccine-2Dslow-2Dstarters-2Dcould-2Dstill-2Dwin-2Dout_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=-LgSClvKm4eb9XM_TzRo26jPfnNUT2LnjptOkglHrec&e=>
>> covers some information about vaccines in trials and development.
>> It seems very unlikely there will be a single winning vaccine-at least in
>> the beginning. Time will tell which vaccine approach seems to work best
>> with the optimal immune response and duration.
>> As an aside, recently the head of the CDC (Robert Redfield) commented
>> that mask wearing was likely to be more effective than any vaccine. “I
>> might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to
>> protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine,” Redfield said
>> while testifying before the Senate Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human
>> Services on expectations around the release of COVID-19 vaccines. He was
>> not indicating that vaccine are not likely to be effective but instead on
>> the value of masks as a preventative measure. He may also have been
>> forecasting the need for mask use even when vaccines are available.
>> Enjoy the beautiful weekend!
>> Andy Guertler
>> Andrew T. Guertler, MD
>> Medical Director
>> University Health Center
>> James Madison University
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>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.publichealthpolicyjournal.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=dhpM-2NwuVQgxfv80ICU1sbvDCcDxi5zIrit1prhQpw&e=>
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>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__childrenshealthdefense.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=7y9dnEYZpEhi2udVzxmo1pecGTdLkM8thq3ZUXvM6GA&e=>
>>
>> The Environmental and Genetic Causes of Autism
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1KNSxPp&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=W7Vlz4XUatxADYJ__2KMlv5muqEQNa4ct6tQ0K6aviY&e=>
>> (Skyhorse Publishing)
>> Cures vs. Profits: Successes in Translational Research
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amazon.com_gp_product_9814730149_ref-3Das-5Fli-5Fqf-5Fsp-5Fasin-5Fil-5Ftl-3Fie-3DUTF8-26camp-3D1789-26creative-3D9325-26creativeASIN-3D9814730149-26linkCode-3Das2-26tag-3Dlivgrelivwel-2D20&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=YTC6wjKLl_sF5Ob6ak0Z6zZj8Dqdebjwy7e0JjMj3MA&e=> (World
>> Scientific, 2016)
>> Ebola: An Evolving Story
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1TGYY9r&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=mq4pNrrrMHd1SZBfgv9aLvYn2Vy7JU3ULWzo1C_cL2I&e=>
>> (World Scientific, 2015)
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>> james lyons-weiler, phd
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>> Editor-in-Chief, Science, Public Health Policy, and the Law
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.publichealthpolicyjournal.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=7zycNwfqlT9CHHth-rmwJxwpCg8IG-TJjjjeM7Soi5M&e=>
>> Guest Contributor, Children's Health Defense
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__childrenshealthdefense.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=bodY6LM0Eyh3kv-kAKmtYNkSPA5va8ntjFbKjNVGOGQ&e=>
>>
>> The Environmental and Genetic Causes of Autism
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1KNSxPp&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=4Kx4W-oWPwdOWjUzYfMi_XZDock0zWfDXyxqfu8phJY&e=>
>> (Skyhorse Publishing)
>> Cures vs. Profits: Successes in Translational Research
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amazon.com_gp_product_9814730149_ref-3Das-5Fli-5Fqf-5Fsp-5Fasin-5Fil-5Ftl-3Fie-3DUTF8-26camp-3D1789-26creative-3D9325-26creativeASIN-3D9814730149-26linkCode-3Das2-26tag-3Dlivgrelivwel-2D20&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=iexeX50iblwVeme6pmKj7l8U96BiuxIvjZGNNACfRbE&e=> (World
>> Scientific, 2016)
>> Ebola: An Evolving Story
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1TGYY9r&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=EaGEQl7DyY9hy9ZGSPAXgI0UnUOo7LTgllaiO17Zk3w&e=>
>> (World Scientific, 2015)
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>> james lyons-weiler, phd
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>> Editor-in-Chief, Science, Public Health Policy, and the Law
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.publichealthpolicyjournal.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=c6EboFyy0ke4ioT5UpYjxm_ymooEw7W4HWYpiNb4FvQ&e=>
>> Guest Contributor, Children's Health Defense
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__childrenshealthdefense.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=G9EediYfvJJgLuj5KmYQpfCeyOY1UvJao_fiy2SZJPE&e=>
>>
>> The Environmental and Genetic Causes of Autism
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1KNSxPp&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=LInphw6B75s5AqoV8qn_QSdZYAQuEH_yttewxVE9qmY&e=>
>> (Skyhorse Publishing)
>> Cures vs. Profits: Successes in Translational Research
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amazon.com_gp_product_9814730149_ref-3Das-5Fli-5Fqf-5Fsp-5Fasin-5Fil-5Ftl-3Fie-3DUTF8-26camp-3D1789-26creative-3D9325-26creativeASIN-3D9814730149-26linkCode-3Das2-26tag-3Dlivgrelivwel-2D20&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=e8pdO-wUuEbtWzNiDO69Ads2bXjFeGPuiczrIwR6kbw&e=> (World
>> Scientific, 2016)
>> Ebola: An Evolving Story
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1TGYY9r&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=8qZsLraPRmJLfmXq7rLoa9xileTvvkHKk0zlkwErgro&e=>
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> james lyons-weiler, phd
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> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.publichealthpolicyjournal.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=J3FyGj0B5vCwhx1dH5GQtcf4-pk93Dd6YVXwC1MoRNM&e= >
> Guest Contributor, Children's Health Defense
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> The Environmental and Genetic Causes of Autism <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1KNSxPp&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=vmu1VtlqBXw7ast5-W8z3HWwZaIwlgPU2xpMdYIn6LA&e= >
> (Skyhorse Publishing)
> Cures vs. Profits: Successes in Translational Research
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amazon.com_gp_product_9814730149_ref-3Das-5Fli-5Fqf-5Fsp-5Fasin-5Fil-5Ftl-3Fie-3DUTF8-26camp-3D1789-26creative-3D9325-26creativeASIN-3D9814730149-26linkCode-3Das2-26tag-3Dlivgrelivwel-2D20&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=szeuL7HG2UE6npm9K_BjVHVXd4V8VCGvSlOKuBs95Lk&e= > (World
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> Ebola: An Evolving Story <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__amzn.to_1TGYY9r&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=GvhytDnVMYGas_Y0GhtXSprfHeycgtdyXPhdMHw0SVQ&e= > (World Scientific, 2015)
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