I think you have to distinguish between science (exploration) and 
technology (creation) and what we choose to with it; philosophy 
(structured thinking) can help us here.

/ Lene

On 17-12-2020 01:19, James Lyons-Weiler wrote:
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> Great question.  Fast-forward our civilization with technology by 
> 1,000 years - whatever that means for you.
>
> Since we will likely create things new to the universe with unknown 
> properties - including emergent properties -
> the merger of "science and technology" will certainly be continued.  
> But science itself will continue forever because
> we have already shown many times over that we are capable of creating 
> things and things that interact in ways that
> are vastly beyond our immediate comprehension.  The toxic soup we have 
> made of the biosphere is a great example.
>
> Hyper-intelligent AI aside, we will likely move increasingly toward 
> prediction science, less pattern detection and less
> descriptive science, and getting down (and up) into mechanistic models 
> that are increasingly improved in their ability to
> predict.
>
> However, my transcendental prediction model does not require a human 
> understanding  -it dispenses with whether
> we need to understand why it works.  In fact, it can generate an 
> infinite number of prediction models that are equally accurate -
> and if the data can predict accurately, they all will be accurate.
>
> I am convinced that our /understanding and comprehension/ will advance 
> exponentially when we move beyond the assumption that the
> ability to discriminate A OR B is far less useful than understanding A 
> AND B.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 6:49 PM Leland Beaumont <[log in to unmask] 
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>     ToK Folk,
>
>     Advocates of thinking scientifically
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Thinking-5FScientifically&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=HiEAuNqgcMMesGu5zeQnyfFgS3tNO-ZcCms6P4kghXw&e=>
>     are often admonished that science may be OK for scientists, but
>     has strict limits. This warning is often expressed by theists as
>     “science and religion do not overlap.” Dualists claim that the
>     mind is not formed of matter and energy but of something else.
>     Others claim  that subjective experience, conscious experience, or
>     the complexities of society cannot be analyzed using scientific
>     thinking. Various social scientists may claim that their
>     disciplines lie outside of science. Would it be fair for me
>     suggest that proponents of the enlightenment gap claim that
>     thinking scientifically cannot solve world problems?
>
>     I propose that those who make such claims bear the burden of
>     proving those claims. Specifically, those who claim specific
>     limits on the realm of thinking scientifically must answer the
>     question:
>
>     *How would science know when and where to stop being relevant?*
>
>     Because I acknowledge that we continue to face grand challenges
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Grand-5FChallenges&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=AUsHs_IGhGuNsV294SQv_jKgZ6hRk89vmZbgP2-PyzA&e=>
>     that persist and seem resistant to solutions, I am obligated to
>     offer an alternative hypothesis. I propose that science is working
>     its way up from physics through chemistry, geology, meteorology,
>     and biology into medicine, neuroscience, various branches of
>     psychology, sociology, economics, ethics, and eventually
>     government
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lelandbeaumont.medium.com_how-2Dare-2Dwe-2Ddoing-2Db89940268fec&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=cBqCx25LJREAj1gux_e7JrUBwyTL01AMKo7S4O8RL7I&e=>.
>     Prolonged searches for elan vital
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_-25C3-2589lan-5Fvital&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=IwD_-GrV19YzoaE8tk1KldlzEBG1ocEpxnOD1JOWYo8&e=>,
>     caloric
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Caloric-5Ftheory&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=Th3dGEC9zFbyiHn-bx_ivSfyMK6KQp9gDLxooBQq3ig&e=>,
>     luminiferous ether
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Luminiferous-5Faether&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=CXNcgHKNGdWRBF7bTCwcEG_VR-SUNzFQ5-UFeHkWuHs&e=>,
>     and phlogiston
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Phlogiston-5Ftheory&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=kE0L6jNHNDevGWwh0wdfYRyY1RBUtCcsa7EC81kGjcA&e=>
>     have brought us to null results and new insights. I advocate that
>     we continue to seek real good, regardless of the discipline, or
>     rate of progress.
>
>     Enjoy the holidays.
>
>     Respectfully,
>
>     Lee Beaumont
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