So this thread is being discussed on multiple levels and that makes it a
bit hard to follow with all the concurrent language games.

Jamie,

I agree with you on most of what you said but to a less absolute degree. I
wonder if your operationalizations are a bit too distinct from the sort of
commonplace use of words like intelligence or social evaluation to make
directly correspondent comparisons. It's a bit hard to follow your exact
argument because you take it in so many directions, which is great and
again I agree with most of what you said but it seems like you have more a
problem with the way intelligence is valued and measured rather than human
intelligence as a thing itself. You also come from a very 1st
person perspective and it seems as tho you are primed to be against
mechanical/technical classifications of things, another thing you and I
share, although even from a strictly Advaitist perspective these
classifications and evaluations have use to them and aren't nonsense no
matter how useless they are. If we're really going to get divine about it
then you better no none of this shit matters in the slightest, so no need
to be against it and all the more reason to watch and learn from it and do
what you will from there (most of us would prefer something good that
betters the world and humanity, but obviously not everyone).

I think you've got some really good ideas to share on this thread but play
the game a little bit if you really wanna talk about it in depth. Please
don't take any of this as me trying to 'put you in your place or anything
like that if anything consider it unsolicited conversational feedback in
the name of dialogos, that's what it is truthfully.


Waldemar and Bradley,

I like the way you've both categorized decision-making with regard to
intelligence and environmental factors, but it leaves out large portions of
intelligence and essentially your arguments can both be summarized as
"everyone makes mistakes."

Of course, as you both note, it's more complicated than just that, but just
that is true. Everyone makes mistakes. But intelligence is not about not
making errors, it is about using error to build prediction. Which, as Peter
acknowledged, is how something like a cognitive distortion or schemas in
general are formed through the feedback loop depicted by the free energy
principle and embodied cognition (both are Karl Friston's terms, I believe)
that create a sort of parallel reality for us to live in that corresponds
to true reality in a way for us to maintain perspective and survival.
That's what human intelligence is, having your cake and eating it too.

This is just a small piece of the discussion to be had here.

However, in a similar manner of thought, Jaime's original post is very much
true. Human intelligence will be it's own executioner. Because eventually
our CULTURALLY JUSTIFIED and distorted (even so slightly) lens of reality
that we cannot know unless having already looked through is going to run
off course in a way that makes survival the sole priority (we already see
this regression every day, as autonomic functions increase the way they
would in a heightened emotional state their ability to make rational and
realistic decisions falters). That's why I brought up radical acceptance
and radical genuineness, because they aren't about survival, they're about
wisdom. In as true a TOK sense as I have probably ever articulated, wisdom
is what will be the yang to the yin of human intelligence.


Regards,

Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D.

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> The one and only cause of stupidity, that counts, is fear of judgment.
> Intelligence can also be described as good judgement.
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> Ergo, the cause of stupidity is fear of intelligence, also ‘aversion of
> intelligence’. Simple. The cause of stupidity is aversion of intelligence,
> not some innate lack.
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> If minorities appear to falter in IQ tests, it’s surely due to their
> identity being threatened - the demon in their head whispering
> discouragement as they take the test.
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> This stress that’s involved with aversion of good judgement is also the
> primary cause of nearly all mental disorders and diseases.
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> I’m shocked to find people get scared by the suggestion that carbs cause
> obesity more than fat, because if they’re scared enough by that to shun me,
> then such people would be driven into madness to learn much of anything I
> know to be wrong with our culture.
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> The motives in academia and healthcare (being right, and needing another
> to be wrong) are stacked against this fact, and the cost is too shocking to
> admit.
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> Fear of others judgement is the only cause that we might falter in
> trusting our own judgement, which is ordinarily flawless.
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> When we can sense others might throw a hissy-fit if we are truthful, we
> might begin, little by little, participating in creating a reality in which
> the truth is unsafe, ourselves participating in that we despise…and often
> without noticing it until we can’t handle the truth ourselves.
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> I’m reading the book, ‘Before Happiness’, which has the best advice on
> dealing with this frustration. It still feels insufficient, however.
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