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Well the update says:  "The referee depends on the final locations of the penalty roof debris pieces as an accounting system.  Therefore:  If the robot moves a roof debris piece into or out of Lt Blue, the referee will shift it back over the Lt Blue line in the direction it came from".  

We also know, as we have heard for years, if it does not say you cannot do someing then you can.  I'm guessing the best thing to do is get a clarification from Scott or Steve.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bdh612-ess 
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  Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Roof Debris & Clear runway


  I spoke to the head ref at our tournament, but didn't really challenge it 'cause it wasn't an issue for us anyway and it was being applied consistently.


  Update 31 states that the ref will move the debris back to the lt blue region if the robot moves it out, but nowhere does it say it'll be moved back onto the runway, so I side with the no-moving crowd. 


  A runway clearing mission sounds like it would be a good idea, but instead would be a waste if it can't accomplish anything. For those going to states, it'd be good to know which way it'll be done there.


  Brian

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  On Nov 10, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Kent and Anne Meyer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


    Our tournament also moved it back if knocked by robot as instructed by our head ref. I figure as long as it was consistently done by all refs at the tournament you're in good shape.  The wording is somewhat confusing. 


    Anne Meyer - Chantilly tournament. 

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    On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Bdh612-ess <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


      At our tournament today, the refs would move it back onto the runway if the robot moved it, so your mileage may vary. 


      Perhaps Steve will chime in on this one before states.


      Brian

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      On Nov 10, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Lloyd O'Hara <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


        good to know, I read the Update below and assumed the ref would do the same if the debris was in the runway.  I guess I should not make such assumptions and I should learn to read better.

        31 – ROOF DEBRIS CHAOS
        The referee depends on the final locations of the penalty roof debris pieces as an accounting system.  Therefore:  If the robot moves a roof debris piece into or out of Lt Blue, the referee will shift it back over the Lt Blue line in the direction it came from.

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          From: Mike Dannhardt 
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          Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:16 AM
          Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Roof Debris & Clear runway


          Thanks. That is what I thought. I wasn't sure if the first piece of roof debris was on the run way or not.

          Mike



          KA4CDN

          S.L.Compulsion




          On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Amy Nichols <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

            You are only deducted 30 pts for the ‘clear runway’, if the penalty is left on the runway at the end of the 2.5 minutes.  Our kids incurred a penalty, but their robot pushed it off the runway and they only lost the 10 pts.



            From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lloyd O'Hara
            Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:48 AM
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            Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Roof Debris & Clear runway



            Having had that situation at a tournament yeasterday, I can clarify that for you.  Your first touch penalty is costly, not only do you get the 10 point penalty, you also do not get the 30 points for the clear runway.  Basically, the first touch penalty will cost the team 40 points.





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              From: Mike Dannhardt 

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              Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:00 AM

              Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Roof Debris & Clear runway



              Good morning.

              I am unclear if touch penalty roof debris placed onto the runway counts against a clear runway score. (I see updates clarifying that roof debris in the Lt Blue zone specifically does not count against). Can anyone clarify for me?

              Thanks,

              Coach Mike



              KA4CDN

              S.L.Compulsion


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