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Robot Bill <[log in to unmask]>
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Robot Bill <[log in to unmask]>
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Recommendation: Be careful about interpreting missions and rules from the
videos. Read Rule #5 regarding videos (copied below):
http://www.firstlegoleague.org/sites/default/files/Challenge/FLL_WORLD_CLASS/FLL-WORLD-CLASS-Challenge-FINAL-v2.pdf

*5 - Precedence/Authority* - You get information about the robot game from
more than one place. Once in a while, there is conflict...

   - So here is the order of precedence for the sources: 1 = CURRENT Robot
   Game Updates, 2 = Missions and Field Setup, 3 = Rules
   - If something on a page conflicts with something else on the same page,
   assume the most sensible interpretation.
   - If two interpretations seem equal, assume the interpretation most
   favorable for the team.
   - *On all pages, videos and pictures are for guidance and example only.
   Often they can not express complete information, and are therefore
   misleading. When there is conflict between pictures/videos and text, the
   text takes precedence!*



On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Parvathy Krishnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I thought the video said you cannot bring the box to the base. Am I
> mistaken?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:49 AM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> This is a great question to kick of the World Class season!  It gives a
> chance to demonstrate how to use the Robot Game materials.
>
> The first thing to know is that the rules and the game change from year to
> year.  If something was true in a past season, that should only give your
> team a hint to look for it in this year's game....!
>
> In the World Class Rules, Information category, Rule 5,
> Precedence/Authority tells us that:
>
> You get information about the robot game from more than one place. Once in
> a while,there is conflict...
> So here is the order of precedence for the sources:
> 1 = CURRENT Robot Game Updates, 2 = Missions and Field Setup, 3 = Rules
> ...
> When there is conflict between pictures/videos and text, the text takes
> precedence!
>
>
> So, I will always try to cite the text from the Updates, Missions, Field
> Setup, and Rules when I discuss a question about the Robot Game.
>
> In the Philosophy category, Rule 2, Interpretation really gets to the
> heart of the question:
> Robot game text means exactly and only what it says, so take it literally
> whenever possible.
> - If a detail isn’t mentioned, then it doesn’t matter.
> - There are no hidden requirements or restrictions. If you’ve read
> everything, then you know everything.
> ...and....
> --You’re encouraged to think this way - Please learn the requirements and
> constraints very well, and then realize the many FREEDOMS that are left.
>
>
> Do make sure that your team reads the examples in Rule 2 and discusses
> them.  It's what makes the Robot Game so much fun--understanding an obeying
> the constraints and figuring out something crazy that does a great job
> anyway!
>
> So, yes, if there is nothing special written about the idea model, then
> the team may do anything with it within the rules.  The required method for
> the Thinking Outside the Box mission is that "The box model was never in
> Base."  As the team recognized, this constraint does not say anything about
> the idea model.  So, if there's nothing else in the game that limits where
> or how the idea model may be moved, then the robot may move that model
> anywhere, in any allowable way.
>
> Steve Scherr
> VA-DC FLL Referee Advisor
>
> P.S. for everyone--See the Critical Warning at the end of the Rules.
> Every team wants to have at least one member who is an expert on the game
> documents, and the best teams challenge each other to think of ideas and
> decide whether they are allowable, and, if not, how to tweak them so that
> they are.  (But only to use them if they are helpful to the team, of
> course!)
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Rick Fontanilla <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Our team just had a meeting to discuss the missions.  One of the big
> > discussions was the Outside the Box mission.  Challenge says the idea
> > model is no longer touching the box model.  The box model was never in
> > Base.  One of the kids asked if we could bring the idea model to base.  I
> > said, in the past seasons, if it is not in the rules specifically, then
> you can
> > do it.
> > Does that sound right?
> >
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