Some people talk about UBS: Universal Basic Services, which I find
interesting: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__universalbasicservices.org_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=SbQZZVxKbIdklX_8nWcM2jBgRgVkYv09VOPhlPyQGFo&s=EhwEQftuBMt-FUCVqXq3Gmln-ZC2sM4D61Y0odX2pQc&e= - haven't googled it in
a while; that was the first thing that came up.
/ Lene
On 08-10-2019 12:53, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jason and Lene.
>
> One area of my background and knowledge that is woefully inadequate is
> macro-economics and governmental policy. So, I am outside my
> wheelhouse in analyzing those things. I did worry about a number of
> things with UBI, including inflation. And I was arguing with my
> brother about why income should be contingent and incentivized in a
> particular direction. I too felt the VAT was not the right idea, as it
> clearly was a neoliberal frame on domains that needed to be protected
> from being economically incentivized. (We don’t want to pay people for
> being good and caring).
>
> That said, I shared the podcast and was excited about it because at
> the VALUES level, he had, IMO, the right kind of “sensibility”. That
> is, he positioned himself to be outside the traditional political fray
> and polarization (he has some T shirts on Humanity First, and Not Left
> or Right But Forward), was someone who both appreciated what
> capitalism has accomplished and recognized that we need to consider
> ourselves in late stage capitalism, was concerned about the
> environment but was not an eco-moralist, saw the need for altering our
> social values and creating a much more workable safety net, but did
> not villainize people (wall street barons, white working class poor)
> that the left often does.
>
> Jason, can you share links about the Federal Job Guarantee? That
> sounds interesting.
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
> *From:*tree of knowledge system discussion
> <[log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Lene Rachel Andersen -
> Nordic Bildung / Fremvirke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2019 5:58 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: podcast with Andrew Yang
>
> Haven't had time to listen to the podcast but love to discover another
> UBI opponent!
>
> I am convinced that UBI is one of the worst ideas ever.
>
> Now I have to listen to the podcast... :-D
>
> Best,
>
> Lene
>
> On 07-10-2019 23:02, nysa71 wrote:
>
> I am thoroughly opposed to Yang based on just his awful UBI and
> VAT ideas alone. Basically, it's just neoliberalism dressed up as
> progressivism, and is nothing but a Trojan Horse that'll
> ultimately hurt the poor and working class.
>
> A standalone UBI would most certainly be inflationary, which hurts
> the poor the most. But he proposes tethering the UBI to a VAT
> which, (besides being a bureaucratic nightmare), is ultimately
> regressive, since such a tax would be passed onto consumers by
> embedding it within the final price of goods.
>
> So essentially, the poor will end up paying for the UBI with the UBI.
>
> On top of that, Yang's proposal will ultimately be used as a
> /justification/ for cutting other social programs, (e.g., Social
> Security, SNAP, etc.)
>
> I 100% support the Federal Job Guarantee as an alternative --- a
> much a more solid macroeconomic proposal. A full employment
> program. Federally funded, but locally managed. Since dollars are
> added to the economy coupled with real output, there's minimal
> inflationary risk. And it's a counter-cyclical, automatic
> stabilizer, (as opposed to the UBI, a pro-cyclical, automatic
> de-stabilizer).
>
> Yang's ideas aren't just wrong. They're dangerous.
>
> ~ Jason Bessey
>
> On Monday, October 7, 2019, 12:22:55 PM EDT, Helen Wu
> <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I just want to say that Andrew Yang is awesome.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 8:01 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Hi TOK List,
>
> I visited my brother Mark over the weekend and we were talking
> about new political movements and he shared with me this
> freakeconomics podcast by Andrew Yang, which I found to be of
> interest:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freakonomics.com_podcast_andrew-2Dyang_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=SbQZZVxKbIdklX_8nWcM2jBgRgVkYv09VOPhlPyQGFo&s=WHlmm4klx8a9yrI-pyUH3PWP7DatkZSFChpeGGqxrvw&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freakonomics.com_podcast_andrew-2Dyang_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=J5WqvYx-y9_Nl0ucd7CVHt3C-cLi8pNq9tVAvBXwyaQ&s=Se-OexG4oDoZXAAVDg2fAQGk2u1TFKQTcxwTLjt7__g&e=>,
> so I thought I would share.
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
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